"Sandra the shade from the tree and wall would be helpful. If you can get the shrubs I would suggest you get them this fall, plant at least 2 feet or more away from the wall, so you have more control over moisture and lime leach from the wall…"
"Sandra see my note to Kerry on shade initially. You have to keep in mind a north exposure gets sun all summer long and no sun in the winter if it is a 'shallow' yard. That said if you have a north facing yard, but it is deep,…"
"Kerry, "in general" the lonicera family needs some shade at least in the early months of growing. So a place where it will get some afternoon shade 'aimed' at the initial lower growing area may serve you well."
"Keep in mind those guys get excited and consider it a victory when they have 4 pieces of fruit on a 4 year old tree. I'm kind of in agreement with the Kevin Hauser School of Small Space Fruit Treeonomy: You got 5 years to impress me…"
"OK random sidenote / coincidence. I read this thread yesterday. Then, last night, I met a lady who told me that she grows mangos. She has a mango tree that is 20 years old. She grew it from the pit of the mango her mom ate before she passed away.…"